# Invitation to the ‘Enemy’

**URL:** <https://spokes.nz/t/invitation-to-the-enemy/151>\
**Category:** General\
**Tags:** projects\
**Created:** [2 February 2022 05:14 UTC](https://spokes.nz/t/invitation-to-the-enemy/151 "2022-02-02T05:14:13Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![Henskie](https://spokes.nz/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/4491bb/32.png) [@Henskie](https://spokes.nz/u/Henskie)\
**Post date:** [2 February 2022 05:14 UTC](https://spokes.nz/t/invitation-to-the-enemy/151/1 "2022-02-02T05:14:13Z")

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Could members of this forum be able to consider a reasonable representation from the pro-car lobby from Otepoti council. It’s all very well using Steve Walker and his voice here, but I am interested in getting a better dialogue with someone like Jules Radich because clearly convincing him of the value add of cycling/pedestrian friendlier city planning. Of course, all discourse with him needs to be reasonable (and from him too?). Ideas placed here otherwise will get little traction?

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**Author:** ![NathanK](https://spokes.nz/user_avatar/spokes.nz/nathank/32/2002_2.png) [@NathanK](https://spokes.nz/u/NathanK)\
**Post date:** [14 February 2022 00:34 UTC](https://spokes.nz/t/invitation-to-the-enemy/151/2 "2022-02-14T00:34:25Z")

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Hi Jason - great to have you on here.

Such a good point that we need to engage constructively with those who hold other view. However, I honestly don’t know how to achieve that though an online forum.

[betterstreets.nz](http://betterstreets.nz) is better suited for collaboration towards the common goal making our streets better for all.

Changing the entrenched views of others is a completely different kettle of fish, and something that very rarely occurs as a result of public debate / [discourse](https://discourse.org)!!

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**Author:** ![Henskie](https://spokes.nz/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/4491bb/32.png) [@Henskie](https://spokes.nz/u/Henskie)\
**Post date:** [15 February 2022 08:06 UTC](https://spokes.nz/t/invitation-to-the-enemy/151/3 "2022-02-15T08:06:10Z")

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I agree in part, but all discussions and ideas here will just mimic an echo chamber, in which we all agree with each other. I don’t see a lot of value in that personally. I have been reviewing ideas from the other side and contributed critique with a sense of being listened to. Streets are public places with many different faces. I don’t know how better [discourse](https://discourse.org) takes place otherwise